Hugh (William) (Wiramu) Elder

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Generation: 1

  1. 1.  Hugh (William) (Wiramu) Elder

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  Norman Lascelles Elder was born 1896, Waimahoe, Waikanae, Wellington. (son of Henry Richardson Elder and Annie (Marriane) Wildman); died Yes, date unknown.

    Norman married Kathleen Montressor Elder 1927, Nz. Kathleen (daughter of Thomas Edward Elder and Jessie Hair Pagan) was born 1897, Paddington, Middlesex.; died 1963. [Group Sheet]


  2. 3.  Kathleen Montressor Elder was born 1897, Paddington, Middlesex. (daughter of Thomas Edward Elder and Jessie Hair Pagan); died 1963.
    Children:
    1. 1. Hugh (William) (Wiramu) Elder
    2. Alison Elder
    3. Mark Alexander Elder
    4. Lucy Ann Elder was born 1939, Kahika, Havelock North, Nz.; died 1948, Nz.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Henry Richardson Elder was born 28 Apr 1859, 7 Pochester Square, London. (son of Alexander Lang Elder and Mary Eliza Austin); died 3 Feb 1937, Havelock North, New Zealand.

    Notes:

    (Research):1861 Census.
    Carlile House, St John's Hampstead London.

    Alexander L Elder, head, married, 45 years, Australian Merchant, born Scotland.
    Mary E Elder, married, 30 years, born in Surrey, Peckham.
    Mary A. Elder, daughter, 12 years, scholar, born in South Australia.
    William G. Elder, son, 10 years, scholar, born South Australia.
    John Alexander Elder, son, 8 years, scholar, born South Australia.
    Adelaide L Elder, daughter, 6 years, scholar, born Scotland.
    Thomas E. Elder, son, 5 years, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Frederick Elder, son, 4 years, scholar, born Middlesex, Paddington.
    Mima Elder, daughter, 3 years, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Kenny Elder, son, 1 1/2 years, born Middlesex Paddington....................(should be Henry)
    Margaret J. Elder, daughter, 6 months, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    One Governess, two Nurses,

    Henry married Annie (Marriane) Wildman 8 Jan 1895, Wellington, New Zealand.. Annie was born 4 Feb 1857, Colne, Lancashire.; died 30 Mar 1946, Havelock North, New Zealand. [Group Sheet]


  2. 5.  Annie (Marriane) Wildman was born 4 Feb 1857, Colne, Lancashire.; died 30 Mar 1946, Havelock North, New Zealand.
    Children:
    1. Alexander Lang Elder died died in infancy.
    2. 2. Norman Lascelles Elder was born 1896, Waimahoe, Waikanae, Wellington.; died Yes, date unknown.
    3. Robert Godfray Elder was born 1898; died Yes, date unknown.

  3. 6.  Thomas Edward Elder was born 9 Jul 1855, Porchester Sq., London, (son of Alexander Lang Elder and Mary Eliza Austin); died 28 Apr 1904, Heswall, Cheshire, England.

    Notes:

    (Research):1861 Census.
    Carlile House, St John's Hampstead London.

    Alexander L Elder, head, married, 45 years, Australian Merchant, born Scotland.
    Mary E Elder, married, 30 years, born in Surrey, Peckham.
    Mary A. Elder, daughter, 12 years, scholar, born in South Australia.
    William G. Elder, son, 10 years, scholar, born South Australia.
    John Alexander Elder, son, 8 years, scholar, born South Australia.
    Adelaide L Elder, daughter, 6 years, scholar, born Scotland.
    Thomas E. Elder, son, 5 years, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Frederick Elder, son, 4 years, scholar, born Middlesex, Paddington.
    Mina, Elder, daughter, 3 years, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Kenny Elder, son, 1 1/2 years, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Margaret J. Elder, daughter, 6 months, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    One Governess, two Nurses,


    1901 Census
    Zea Gale, Ravenham, Wokingham, Berkshire.

    Thomas Edward Elder, Head, Mar, 45yrs, Living on own means, born London.
    Jessie Elder, Wife, 37yrs, born Cupar, Scotland.
    Margarett Osborne Elder, Dau, 14yrs, born London, Kensington.
    Eleanor Mary Elder, Dau, 13 yrs, born London, Hampstead.
    Dorothy J H Elder, Dau, 10yrs, born London.
    Annie Elder, Dau, 8yrs, born Edinburgh Scotland.
    Hero Alison C Elder, Dau, 5yrs, born London.
    Kathleen M Elder, Dau, 3yrs, born London.
    George Edward Elder, Son, 2yrs, born Berkshire, Ravenham.
    Alison Austin Elder, Neice, 5yrs, born New Zealand.
    1 Governess.
    1 Childrens Nurse.
    1 Cook.
    1 House Parlor Maid.

    Thomas married Jessie Hair Pagan 30 Apr 1884, Thorntonhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland.. Jessie was born 9 Aug 1863, Cupar, Fife, Scotland; died 9 Jan 1958, Farnham, Surrey, England.. [Group Sheet]


  4. 7.  Jessie Hair Pagan was born 9 Aug 1863, Cupar, Fife, Scotland; died 9 Jan 1958, Farnham, Surrey, England..
    Children:
    1. Elder
    2. Irene Elder
    3. Margaret Osborne E Elder was born 1886, Kensington, London; died 1940.
    4. Eleanor Mary E Elder was born 1888, Hampstead, London, England; died 1971.
    5. Dorothy Jessie H Elder was born 1891, Hampstead, London, England; died Yes, date unknown.
    6. Annie Elder was born 1892, Scotland; died Yes, date unknown.
    7. Hero Alison C Elder was born 1896, Paddington, Middlesex.; died Yes, date unknown.
    8. 3. Kathleen Montressor Elder was born 1897, Paddington, Middlesex.; died 1963.
    9. George Edward Elder was born 1898, Berkshire.; died 1973.


Generation: 4

  1. 8.  Alexander Lang Elder was born 18 Apr 1815, Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland; was christened 11 May 1815, Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland (son of George Elder and Joanna Haddow Lang); died 5 Sep 1885, Kensington, London.

    Other Events:

    • Residence: 1861; Carlile House
    • Occupation: 1861-1881, London; Australian Merchant
    • Residence: 1881; Campden House, Kensington, London.

    Notes:

    ELDER, WILLIAM (1813-1882), ALEXANDER LANG (1815-1885), GEORGE (1816-1897), businessmen, and Sir THOMAS (1818-1897), businessman, pastoralist and public benefactor, were born on 25 March 1813, 18 April 1815, 17 November 1816 and 5 August 1818 in Kirkcaldy, Scotland, sons of George Elder, merchant and shipowner, and his wife Joanna Haddow, née Lang. In 1839 the family decided to extend its business to the new province of South Australia and accordingly Alexander sailed as sole passenger in his father's schooner Minerva, 89 tons, with a cargo of rum, whisky, brandy, tar, fish, biscuits, tinware, gunpowder, agricultural machinery and seed, with which to establish himself. He advertised as a general and commission agent and dispatched the Minerva for regular trading between Adelaide and Launceston. He survived the depression in 1841-43 and expanded his activities; he bought pasture lands, established a gasworks and acted as agent for shipping companies and men on the land. When copper was discovered at Kapunda in 1842 he set up as a metal-broker.
    William, a sea captain, visited Adelaide in 1840 when he brought out 183 Scottish and Irish migrants. The passengers acclaimed his 'gentlemanly deportment … perfect self command and good temper under the most trying circumstances'. He returned to Adelaide in 1844 with his wife, née Malcolm, to join the family business. By 1849, when George joined them in Adelaide after some years in Canada, business was thriving. Alexander was a justice of the peace, director of the Savings Bank and the Adelaide Auction Co., and trustee and treasurer of the Church of Scotland. In July 1851 he was elected for West Adelaide to the Legislative Council where he battled against state aid for religion and against a nominated rather than an elected upper house for parliament. In Adelaide on 8 April 1847 he had married Mary Eliza, the daughter of Rev. John Baptist Austin, a Congregational minister. On 30 March 1853 he resigned from the council and with his wife and children left South Australia. He settled in London in 1855. There he acted as agent for the Adelaide firm until 1884 when with two sons he established A. L. Elder & Co. Much of his trade was with New Zealand where he owned land at Langdale near Masterton and where three sons migrated. Alexander died in London on 5 September 1885 survived by seven sons and five daughters. He left an estate in South Australia worth £317,000 and was well remembered in the colony for his integrity, drive and common sense.
    William left South Australia soon after Alexander and retired in Scotland. He died at Cannes in April 1882, survived by his wife. George, 'handsome, with charming manners and the cleverest of the brothers', was chairman of the Chamber of Commerce in 1852 and 1855. A popular speaker, he was urged to enter parliament but refused. He took a great interest in Chalmers Church and laid its foundation stone. He left South Australia in 1855 to live in Scotland, where he was chairman of the North Ayrshire Liberal Association, a deputy-lieutenant of Ayrshire and director of many companies. He died at Knock Castle, Largs, Ayrshire, in July 1897, aged 81.
    Thomas migrated to Adelaide in 1854 and worked for a year with George. He then formed a partnership with Edward Stirling, Robert Barr Smith and John Taylor: Elder, Stirling & Co. In 1856 Barr Smith married Thomas's sister Joanna. She became Adelaide's most renowned hostess but Thomas always lived quietly and never married. Elder, Stirling & Co. financed in 1859 the Wallaroo and Moonta Copper Mines which, after initial risks, brought them great wealth. Stirling and Taylor retired and the two remaining partners formed Elder Smith & Co. which became one of the world's largest wool-selling firms. While still active as agents they built up a huge pastoral territory, spreading further and further from the civilized fringe and moving into the untouched wastes of South Australia, Queensland and Western Australia. They tackled the outback problems by spending many thousands of pounds in fencing and sinking bores though their properties constituted a land mass finally much larger than the whole of their native Scotland. Thomas's holdings included Paratoo (3000 square miles [7770 km²]), Umberatana, Mount Lyndhurst and Blanchewater (3000 square miles [7770 km²]) and Beltana (900 square miles [2331 km²]).
    Thomas was an enthusiastic and practical supporter of exploration and saw the camel as the answer to the transport problems of the outback. His first imported batch of breeding camels included three types for speed, stamina and strength; he also brought out Afghans to manage the beasts. From the original 124 camels he bred a sturdy stock at Beltana. A hundred were used in building the overland telegraph line from Adelaide to Darwin in 1872 and they were established as indispensable in P. E. Warburton's 4000-mile (6437 km) journey from the centre of Australia to the western coast in 1872-73. Ernest Giles's exploration in 1875 also succeeded with camels. Thomas financed both these expeditions as well as those of Ross in 1874, Lewis in 1875 and the Royal Geographical Society of South Australia in 1891. He also lent camels and drivers to genuine expeditions of discovery and much land was opened up as a result of his ardent interest in exploration. In 1890 he wrote to Mueller offering to finance a trip to the Antarctic.
    Thomas published in Adelaide for private circulation four pamphlets describing early travels of his own. Notes from a Pocket Journal of a Trip up the River Murray in 1856 (1893) reports his two-month journey in Captain Cadell's steamer and attests to his immediate enjoyment of his new home. Narrative of a Tour in Palestine in 1857 (1894) describes a spontaneous jaunt from Cairo to Mount Sinai and Jerusalem which Thomas made with a party of Englishmen, his first experience of camel riding. His Travels in Algeria in 1860 (1894) convinced him that the French experiment in colonization was unlikely to succeed, while in Notes from a Pocket Journal of Rambles in Spain in 1860 (1894) he confessed after visiting the art galleries that 'picture seeing is more fatiguing than people think'; but he later gave £25,000 to the art gallery in Adelaide.
    Thomas was a member of the Legislative Council in 1863-69 and 1871-78. He attended regularly and his few speeches suggest him as unemotional, conservative, educated, sensible, and, in discussion, short and to the point. His opinion was listened to with respect. He was particularly interested in the waste lands bill of 1866 for which he voted although as a squatter he stood to lose by it, and after 1871 he continually opposed what he considered extravagant government spending.
    Thomas bought Birksgate, Glen Osmond, where he built his own gas plant for lighting, grew bananas in his conservatory, made wine from his own garden grapes, created a zoo and built a tower in the grounds from which he could signal to his yachts as they raced in the gulf. When an overseas ship was sighted he fired a cannon and hoisted the Union Jack as his own shipping advisory service. He began to race horses in 1873 and for ten years competed with varying success. When his head trainer died he sold his racers and concentrated on his stud farm at Morphettville which became one of the best in Australia. In 1878 he was appointed K.C.M.G. and in 1887 G.C.M.G. In 1885 he built a house (later Carminow) on Mount Lofty in Scottish baronial style. He died there on 6 March 1897. His estate was sworn at £615,573 and outside South Australia it probably amounted to some £200,000.
    His philanthropy is everywhere evident in South Australia, not least at the University of Adelaide. In 1874 he gave £20,000 to endow chairs in mathematics and general science; in 1883-97 he gave £31,000 to the Medical School, £21,000 to the School of Music and £26,000 for general university purposes. His will also included bequests of £10,000 to Presbyterians, £4000 to Anglicans for their cathedral and £4000 to Methodists for their Prince Alfred College. He left £25,000 for the foundation of Working Men's Homes and £16,000 to hospitals. A statue is in Adelaide.
    Select Bibliography
    Elder Smith & Co. Limited: The First Hundred Years (Adel, 1940); F. Gosse, ‘Sir Thomas Elder, G.C.M.G.’, Proceedings of the Royal Geographical Society of Australasia: South Australian Branch, 63 (1962); Observer (Adelaide), 13 Mar 1897. More on the resources
    Author: Fayette Gosse
    Print Publication Details: Fayette Gosse, 'Elder, Alexander Lang (1815 - 1885)', Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 4, Melbourne University Press, 1972, pp 133-134.

    (Research):ELDER Alexander Lang arrived 1840-01-03 on Minerva (2) from Leith [7,9,21]
    ELDER Anne nee MALCOLM arrived 1844-02-21 on Symmetry from Leith 1843-09-01 via Cape of Good Hope [6,7]
    ELDER Capt William arrived 1840-07-07 on William Nichol from Greenock via Dublin 1840-04-02 [7]
    ELDER Capt William, Anne nee MALCOLM arrived 1842-03-04 on William Nichol from Leith via Melbourne [21]
    ELDER Capt, Anne nee MALCOLM, servant arrived 1845-11-07 on Symmetry from London 1845-06-24 [6,7]
    ELDER Edward John arrived by 1846-12-31 [7]
    ELDER G(eorge?) arrived 1848-12-05 on Hooghly from London 1848-08-24 via Plymouth [6,7]
    ELDER James, Amy Ann nee SMITH, 3 ch arrived 1849-06-21 on Sir Edward Parry from London 1849-03-29 [4,6]

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    Alexander married Mary Eliza Austin 8 Apr 1847, Residance Of Rev J.B. Austin, Lashbrooke, South Australia.. Mary (daughter of Rev. John Baptist Austin and Margaret Young) was born 11 Aug 1830, Peckham, Surrey.; was christened 21 Oct 1830, Peckham Hanover Chapel-Independent, Camberwell, Surrey, England; died 8 Nov 1915, Surrey, England.. [Group Sheet]


  2. 9.  Mary Eliza Austin was born 11 Aug 1830, Peckham, Surrey.; was christened 21 Oct 1830, Peckham Hanover Chapel-Independent, Camberwell, Surrey, England (daughter of Rev. John Baptist Austin and Margaret Young); died 8 Nov 1915, Surrey, England..

    Notes:

    (Research):1861 Census.
    Carlile House, St John's Hampstead London.

    Alexander L Elder, head, married, 45 years, Australian Merchant, born Scotland.
    Mary E Elder, married, 30 years, born in Surrey, Peckham.
    Mary A. Elder, daughter, 12 years, scholar, born in South Australia.
    William G. Elder, son, 10 years, scholar, born South Australia.
    John Alexander Elder, son, 8 years, scholar, born South Australia.
    Adelaide L Elder, daughter, 6 years, scholar, born Scotland.
    Thomas E. Elder, son, 5 years, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Frederick Elder, son, 4 years, scholar, born Middlesex, Paddington.
    Mima Elder, daughter, 3 years, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Kenny Elder, son, 1 1/2 years, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Margaret J. Elder, daughter, 6 months, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    One Governess, two Nurses,

    1871 Census.
    Carlile House, St John's Hampstead London.

    Alexander L Elder, head, married, 55 years, Australian Merchant, born Scotland.
    Mary E Elder, married, 40 years, born in Surrey, Peckham.
    Mary Ann Elder, daughter, 22 years, born in South Australia.
    William G. Elder, son, 20 years, Undergraduate, born South Australia.
    John Alexander Elder, son, 18 years, Undergraduate, born South Australia.
    Adelaide L Elder, daughter, 16 years, scholar, born Scotland.
    Minnie Elder, daughter, 13 years, scholar, born Middlesex Paddington.
    Margaret J. Elder, daughter, 10 years, scholar, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    Lillian Elder, daughter, 7 years, scholar, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    Austin E Elder, son, 6 years, scholar, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    Alexander L Elder, son, 5 years, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    Malcolm B Elder, son, 1 year, born Middlesex Hampstead.
    One Cook.
    One Housemaid.
    One Kitchen maid.
    One Nurse.
    One Page.

    1881 census.
    Camden House, Chelsea, Kensington.
    Alexander L Elder, head, married, 65 years, Australian Merchant, born Kilcaldy Scotland.
    Mary E. Elder, wife, 50 years, born Surrey Peckham.
    Alma C. Elder, daughter, 23 years, born Middlesex Kensington.....(should be Mima)
    Margaret J. Elder, daughter, 20 years, born Middlesex, London.
    Alexander L Elder, son, 15 years, scholar, born Middlesex, London.
    Malcolm Elder, son, 11 years, scholar, born Middlesex, London.
    One Housekeeper.
    One Ladies Maid..
    One Ladies Maid.
    Three Housemaids.
    One Kitchenmaid.
    One Scullerymaid.
    One Footman.

    Children:
    1. Mary Anne Elder was born 11 Apr 1848, North Adelaide.; died 22 Nov 1892, Kensington, London.
    2. George Elder was born 13 Mar 1850, Barque "Alpha";; died 20 Mar 1850, Barque "Alpha";.
    3. William George Elder was born 2 Apr 1851, North Adelaide.; died 13 Dec 1922, Hythe, Kent, England.
    4. John Alexander Elder was born 20 Aug 1852, Delamare, South Australia.; died 26 Oct 1881, Davos Platz, Switzerland.
    5. Adelaide Lashbrooke Elder was born 11 Apr 1854, Dysart, Fife, Scotland; died 11 Sep 1930, Kensington, London.
    6. 6. Thomas Edward Elder was born 9 Jul 1855, Porchester Sq., London,; died 28 Apr 1904, Heswall, Cheshire, England.
    7. Mina Constance Elder was born 22 Jan 1858, Porchester Sq., London,; died 1 Feb 1940, Ivybridge, South Devon, England.
    8. Frederick Elder was born 30 Nov 1858, Porchester Sq., London,; died 9 Mar 1945, Norwich, Norfolk, England.
    9. 4. Henry Richardson Elder was born 28 Apr 1859, 7 Pochester Square, London.; died 3 Feb 1937, Havelock North, New Zealand.
    10. Margaret Joanna Elder was born 25 Aug 1860, Hampstead, London, England; died 27 Dec 1944.
    11. Rose Elder was born 8 Jul 1862, Hampstead, London, England; died 20 Jul 1862, Hampstead, London, England.
    12. Lilian Mary Elder was born 9 Dec 1863, Hampstead, London, England; died 18 Oct 1932, Pensford, Somerset, England.
    13. Austin Alison Elder was born 29 Dec 1864, Hampstead, London, England; died 3 Feb 1896, Te Nui, Wairapara, New Zealand.
    14. Alexander Lang Elder was born 24 Mar 1866, Hampstead, London, England; died 26 Jun 1921, Bath, England..
    15. Malcolm Balfour Elder was born 9 Dec 1869, Hampstead, London, England; died 31 Jul 1927, Sydney, N.S.W..


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